[bf1942] Verification required for whoccares at comcast.net, protected by 0Spam.com.

Neal Clayton xayd at vae-victus.org
Sat Mar 20 14:20:03 EST 2004

Well the obvious reason for not having majordomo is the fact that this 
domain is running qmail and ezmlm works with qmail out of the box, 
whereas majordomo still has security issues with its wrapper and is a 
royal pain in the ass to get working with qmail.

And in this case, unless the person in question owns the comcast.net 
domain, it is in fact some person who has decided to transfer his 
individual spam problem to everyone who sends him an email rather than 
dealing with the problem himself.  Either way, most other people have 
figured out by now that they can make a yahoo address to use for a 
spam-dump and use their real email address for real email.  If some 
can't grasp that concept, then they can deal with the spam, there's no 
way I'm gonna go through their retarded filter myself to accomodate them 
and their spam problem, though.

" The simple fact of the matter is that people use this stuff for spam 
protection and there is nothing anyone can do about that. "

And with that in mind I would suggest a hybrid of 2 and 3.  Put a big 
warning in the welcome email that users of any email-verification 
antispam service will be removed from the list ;).

Rick Thompson wrote:

> I tried to discuss this rationally a few weeks ago but was shouted 
> down for bringing up the reality of it.
> The reason we see this over and over and over again on this list is 
> because of the way it operates. People are used to majordomo because 
> it has been the standard for mailing lists forever. Nothing wrong with 
> this software but most people are automatically going to assume it's 
> majordomo and whitelist icculus.org.
> There will be the occasional clueless idiot who uses a protected email 
> without whitelisting at all and then wonder why they never get any 
> mail. The majority of them are not ignorant rookies though, they will 
> whitelist icculus.org, find the error quickly and correct it. Nobody 
> whitelists "Mailing-List:" anymore because it whitelists a large 
> number of spammers.
> As long as you guys use this software instead of majordomo we might as 
> well get used to seeing this because it is going to continue to happen 
> often. I don't know if you can config it to use a list domain instead 
> of the senders but that is the only thing that would prevent it. The 
> simple fact of the matter is that people use this stuff for spam 
> protection and there is nothing anyone can do about that.
> Before I get accused of being off topic again or slammed just for 
> bringing up the obvious, let me say that I don't care what your take 
> on spam or spamprotection is. The question of 0spam type services 
> being effective is not relevant. People use it and because mailman 
> functions differently than majordomo, we are going to have to get used 
> to seeing that reply.
> There *are* several solutions however.
> 1. Kill every spammer out there (preferably with a claw hammer, 
> starting at the ankles).
> This solution is not very realistic but it does give me a warm feeling 
> inside to think about.
> 2. Adopt an auto-cancel policy when seeing that subject. This would 
> not be real effective because the person would just signup again not 
> even knowing what went wrong. I am aware there are people out there 
> who think of this option as the best solution but I am confident more 
> rational minds would not consider it.
> 3. Put a big notice at the top of the list signup response with 
> "NOTICE TO SPAM PROTECTION USERS" that tells people email will be 
> coming from the senders address and not to whitelist just the 
> icculus.org domain.
> This is probably the most practical solution and I think the majority 
> of people would get it right the first time.
> Rick
> At 01:32 AM 3/20/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:52, Neal Clayton wrote:
>> > Can we PLEASE get these people yanked from the list?  They're spamming
>> > each of us individually with this crap each time a message goes out 
>> from
>> > the list.
>> >
>> >  whoccares at comcast.net, please remove this person and if you see 
>> him in
>> > real life break his fingers to keep him away from any and all 
>> computers
>> > or something.
>> fwiw, even after jumping through the spam-verification hoops, I didn't
>> get a response from the whoccares account owner, so I removed him from
>> the list manually.
>> I don't have any intention of breaking his fingers, but if you happen to
>> be reading that account still and want to be on the list, please
>> resubscribe from an account that doesn't auto-respond to each list post.
>> Thanks,
>> --ryan.
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