[bf1942] BF Viet and BFSMD

[Rick Thompson]

Expecting Dice to support a 3rd party application that they have no rights 
to is just wrong.

Don't misunderstand me, I love BBO not because it is a fine application 
(which it is) but because it allows us to rent servers and use bandwidth 
that would otherwise be wasted. BBO eliminates the need for direct access 
to the server, that is the *only* way we will ever consider renting them.

We will not install any BFV servers until there is an application like BBO 
that allows complete administration from the interface. Linux code of 
course, the server version of the kicker may fill the bill for win admins.

The way I see it, if BBO is not updated for BFV, that is on Kevin and not 
Dice. I fully understand wanting to get paid for the work and Kevin 
deserves it. However, this is not the way to go about it. Strong arming the 
game developer into supporting a third party app they have zero rights to 
so that we can use it free is unrealistic.

Now listen, donations don't cut it, put a freaking price tag on this thing. 
People will use it, Kevin will get paid and Dice can concentrate on making 
their game batter and more efficient... which should be their only real 
concern anyway.

One observation. There will be other admin solutions, this community is 
full of talent and I am sure there are people working on projects like this 
right now. It does take time though, we have a slew of 3rd party code for 
HL because the game is 6 years old, no doubt as the BF series ages this 
situation will improve.

Rick


At 12:14 AM 3/14/2004 +1030, you wrote:

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>I appoligize, I missread u can ignore the part about unrego'd
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>it will be limited  2 admins, that's right folks BFVCC is not free
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>it is the bf1942 cc version that is not free
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>From: <mailto:kingsley at internode.com.au>Kingsley Foreman
>To: <mailto:bf1942 at icculus.org>bf1942 at icculus.org
>Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:50 PM
>Subject: [bf1942] BF Viet and BFSMD
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>Sorry for the cross post in the forums and on the mail list
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>OK folks,
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>             As most of us know BF:V is being supported by BFCC and not BFSMD.
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>but what some of you might not know is that there is no linux port for 
>BFCC and when unrego'd
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>it will be limited  2 admins, that's right folks BFCC is not free
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>I and many other admins have been a huge supporter of kevlar at black bag 
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>also supported the decision by Dice to fund the continued development of 
>BFSMD.
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>Dice choose not to continue this support for BF:V.
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>The BBO forums also have a petition going for Dice's continued support of 
>BFSMD for BF:V located
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><http://www.blackbagops.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1725>http://www.blackbagops.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1725 
>which is up to approx 60 servers/networks.
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>Ok here are the facts.
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>BFV is a hybrid dedicated server of bf1942 1.5-1.6 in command structure.
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>this code is already written in BFSMD, and it would appear that it 
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>much for Kevin to migrate it over (I apologize if I am wrong Kevin)
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>We have worked out that BFV is a diff development team to the original 
>BF1942 team, at least on the Linux side of things, so who knows if the BFV 
>team is up on the importance of having a good Linux cli tool to manage the 
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>Im sure the admins know the importance of it, and I know that BBO has 
>already written an excellent one for BF1942.
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>As a Admin I'm some what disappointed about Dice's decision here. 
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>the BF1942 servers around the world are using Linux, to supply a Manager 
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>Linux is crazy.
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>So Im saying that I hope Dice Change their minds and start supporting BBO 
>for the development of a BFSMD that supports BFV
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>because we need it
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>If you agree make yourself heard
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>Kingsley
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