[bf1942] BF: Vietnam - BFCC to be bundled with it (OT)

[Paul Bowsher]

And the fact that BFCC seems to be based on TGBF Kicker, which in my opinion
is buggy and poorly designed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Wolberg [mailto:jon at ecgnetwork.com] 
Sent: 27 February 2004 14:38
To: bf1942 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [bf1942] BF: Vietnam - BFCC to be bundled with it (OT)

My last message on this topic didnt seem to have gone through.

Kevin has no intensions of making BFSM compatible with BF:V, as he is going
back to school to finish his degree and wont have the time.  I can second
this opinion on BFSM making it easier for GSPs to rent the game.  I remember
having to explain to my customers the complicated process of having to FTP
up your .con files and reset your server for them to take.  The huge long
admin commands didnt make it any easier.

I can speak for myself here in that if it werent for BFSM, BF would be
nowhere near as successfull server-side as it is today.  It's a shame that
they decided to go with a virtually untested program like BFCC.

Jon Wolberg
Tech Support Manager
www.ECGNetwork.Com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Richards" <noxis at clara.net>
To: <bf1942 at icculus.org>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [bf1942] BF: Vietnam - BFCC to be bundled with it (OT)


> Thats the point BBO wont be there, all they did was strike a deal to
update
> it to support 1.6 no further. Instead of supporting a better admin tool
they
> look to be including this:
>
> http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/bfv_020904_008.jpg
>
> There probably wont be any further updates from BBO, which is a damn shame
> as that tool pretty much made the BF1942 server usable, without it most
GSPs
> wouldnt have bothered with the hassle with what really is a after thought
> known as the BF1942 server, what with the massive CPU/Mem and Bandwidth
> usage.
>
> Only great jobs from people like Andreas has made it worth while in the
long
> term, but if BF1942 was ever planned to be a online game a very poor job
was
> done initially.
>
> -Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <patrick at fragzzhost.com>
> To: <bf1942 at icculus.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [bf1942] BF: Vietnam - BFCC to be bundled with it (OT)
>
>
> i agree,,.. grow upp people. your preciuos bbo will still be there lol
>
> Patrick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brigham Stevens" <brs at vikingmind.com>
> To: <bf1942 at icculus.org>; "Lee Latham" <leeprivate at cgmlarson.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [bf1942] BF: Vietnam - BFCC to be bundled with it (OT)
>
>
> > Who really cares what is bundled with it, and why do people who use that
> tool
> > tend to whine so much??
> >
> > EA has come to some arrangement with BBO so they will keep developing
and
> it
> > will be available, so who really cares!
> >
> > ok sorry for ranting on all ya'all.
> >
> > Quoting Lee Latham <leeprivate at cgmlarson.com>:
> >
> > > Frankly, I'm not sure how much difference it makes.  Anyone running a
> > > Linux
> > > server will eventually make their way to the message boards or even
this
> > >
> > > mailing list, and they will extremely rapidly run into the BGO tools.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit surprised tho..
> > >
> > > At 08:27 AM 2/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >That would be a horrible mistake. We would never allow shell access
to
> > > our
> > > >machines and we don't even provide FTP to gameserver clients. Without
> > > the
> > > >blackbagops interface we would drop the half dozen games we run in a
> > > >heartbeat, it would not be worth the trouble or the risk.
> > > >
> > > >If they want to replace it with a like app that's fine. It has to
have
> > >
> > > >100% of the same functionality though.
> > > >
> > > >Rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 12:23 PM 2/26/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>It appears that when BFV goes on sale they are going to bundle BFCC
> > > with it
> > > >>rather than the excellent tool provided by www.Blackbagops.com
> > > >>
> > > >>A petition has been started here:
> > > >>http://www.blackbagops.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12322#12322
> > > >>
> > > >>However I thought perhaps if someone official reads this list the
> > > issue
> > > >>could be raised somewhere that matters? The blackbagops remote admin
> > > tool is
> > > >>far superior to anything else out there and they would be mad not to
> > > >>officially support it.
> > > >>
> > > >>Sorry for this being off topic
> > > >>
> > > >>Cheers
> > > >>
> > > >>-Paul
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > --brigham
> >
> >
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