[bf1942] BF: Vietnam - BFCC to be bundled with it (OT)

[Rick Thompson]

I think I misunderstood the original post. Since Dice paid Kevin for the 
1.6 compat version I guess I assumed that 1. they had some control of the 
software and 2. "replace" meant kill the BBO app. That may seem like a 
strange concept but if you run HL servers, your used to the game developer 
screwing you over.

EA/DICE are good people, trust me... you could have it a lot, lot worse! 
Their releases are as clean as can be expected from complex software, they 
usually on time with announcement dates and they do indeed listen to their 
userbase. You have PB and a lot of the features in 1.6 because they *do* 
listen to their userbase and respond to the concerns of serverops.

Looking at the nix server readme for BBO I see the software is clearly in 
Kevin's capable hands so if it is ditched, it will be his doing and not the 
game developers. This brings up another aspect though, are we demanding 
that EA/DICE foot the bill for him to update the software we use free?

Don't get me wrong, without BBO or a closely similar app we would not rent 
servers and a thousand gb of bandwidth would go to waste each month. 
However, if it's a money thing, Kevin should be charging us for the app and 
not strong-arming EA/DICE through pressure from its userbase to buck up. I 
don't know if that's it at all, maybe I am way off base but it kind of 
looks that way. Software developers have to eat too, I understand that. Put 
a price tag on it and people will buy if it is reasonable. Expecting the 
game developer to pay for software they don't control is unreasonable.

Rick


At 08:02 PM 2/26/2004 +0100, you wrote:

>i agree,,.. grow upp people. your preciuos bbo will still be there lol
>
>Patrick
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>From: "Brigham Stevens" <brs at vikingmind.com>
>To: <bf1942 at icculus.org>; "Lee Latham" <leeprivate at cgmlarson.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [bf1942] BF: Vietnam - BFCC to be bundled with it (OT)
>
>
> > Who really cares what is bundled with it, and why do people who use 
> that tool
> > tend to whine so much??
> >
> > EA has come to some arrangement with BBO so they will keep developing 
> and it
> > will be available, so who really cares!
> >
> > ok sorry for ranting on all ya'all.
> >
> > Quoting Lee Latham <leeprivate at cgmlarson.com>:
> >
> > > Frankly, I'm not sure how much difference it makes.  Anyone running a
> > > Linux
> > > server will eventually make their way to the message boards or even this
> > >
> > > mailing list, and they will extremely rapidly run into the BGO tools.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit surprised tho..
> > >
> > > At 08:27 AM 2/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >That would be a horrible mistake. We would never allow shell access to
> > > our
> > > >machines and we don't even provide FTP to gameserver clients. Without
> > > the
> > > >blackbagops interface we would drop the half dozen games we run in a
> > > >heartbeat, it would not be worth the trouble or the risk.
> > > >
> > > >If they want to replace it with a like app that's fine. It has to have
> > >
> > > >100% of the same functionality though.
> > > >
> > > >Rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 12:23 PM 2/26/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>It appears that when BFV goes on sale they are going to bundle BFCC
> > > with it
> > > >>rather than the excellent tool provided by www.Blackbagops.com
> > > >>
> > > >>A petition has been started here:
> > > >>http://www.blackbagops.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12322#12322
> > > >>
> > > >>However I thought perhaps if someone official reads this list the
> > > issue
> > > >>could be raised somewhere that matters? The blackbagops remote admin
> > > tool is
> > > >>far superior to anything else out there and they would be mad not to
> > > >>officially support it.
> > > >>
> > > >>Sorry for this being off topic
> > > >>
> > > >>Cheers
> > > >>
> > > >>-Paul
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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Sincerely,
Rick Thompson

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