[bf1942] Should i Wine or should i go ?

tms3 tms3 at fsklaw.net
Mon May 26 09:59:40 EDT 2003


If fixing bugs means stopping cheaters....take your time...

We BARELY play anymore because of the cheating little punks.  I'll put 
the game on hold for two months if, when I come back, the lil cheating 
pr1cks can no longer harsh my buzz...if you get my drift.

Fredriksson, Andreas wrote:

>When we develop a patch, almost half of time time is spent fixing up
>little bugs that the test labs find. Client bugs would ruin the show
>for everyone and there's no point in releasing a dedicated server if
>there are no clients available.
>
>That's the situation, try to live with it.
>
>// Andreas (deep in the rendering code)
>
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christian Lahme [mailto:lahme at 4all-networks.de]
>>Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:18 PM
>>To: bf1942 at icculus.org
>>Subject: AW: [bf1942] Should i Wine or should i go ?
>>
>>
>>Yes i heard about it .. Yes.. But 2 month is much time ... 
>>Too much time
>>for this buisness, and too much time for providers, which only host on
>>linux.
>>
>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>Von: Fredriksson, Andreas [mailto:andreas.fredriksson at dice.se] 
>>Gesendet: Montag, 26. Mai 2003 13:15
>>An: 'bf1942 at icculus.org'
>>Betreff: RE: [bf1942] Should i Wine or should i go ?
>>
>>
>>
>>Err.. have you heard the term "Quality Assurance", or perhaps "Testing
>>lab"?
>>
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>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Christian Lahme [mailto:lahme at 4all-networks.de]
>>>Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:44 PM
>>>To: bf1942 at icculus.org
>>>Subject: AW: [bf1942] Should i Wine or should i go ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, Andreas, let me say what I´m thinking about it:
>>>
>>>1. Don´t do anymore bugfixes on Win32-Structure, only if 
>>>      
>>>
>>it´s in the 
>>    
>>
>>>client, not the server 2. Release 1.4 now!
>>>
>>>Linux-Provider are getting in very hard discussion with there
>>>customers.
>>>We only can say that DICE isn´t able to fix that now, and that we´re
>>>waiting for 2 month now on a patch. Come on, tell your 
>>>managers that we
>>>can´t wait anymore, not for this terrible Win32-Server. We need the
>>>Linux-Version and I think most servers will run on a 
>>>Linux-Maschine, not
>>>on a Win32, just because of the scriptings and some other 
>>>      
>>>
>>automatism,
>>    
>>
>>>the higher costs on Win2kServer-License and many other things like
>>>security.
>>>
>>>It´s very hard to see, that many customers getting angry just
>>>because of
>>>the ugly lagging servers in v. 1.3.1 on linux-machines. We´ve best
>>>hardware-conditions, best uplinks on european networks and 
>>>      
>>>
>>we won´t be
>>    
>>
>>>able to set up this game-service without having trouble 
>>>because of lags
>>>within the software.
>>>
>>>GET IT OUT NOW, NOT TOMORROW!
>>>
>>>Christian Lahme
>>>GAJA-Networks
>>>
>>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>Von: Fredriksson, Andreas [mailto:andreas.fredriksson at dice.se]
>>>Gesendet: Montag, 26. Mai 2003 10:31
>>>An: 'bf1942 at icculus.org'
>>>Betreff: RE: [bf1942] Should i Wine or should i go ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>we're getting there. The patch has grown a bit to 
>>>      
>>>
>>accomodate a lot of 
>>    
>>
>>>bug fixes mainly for win32, but we're getting there. You'll 
>>>      
>>>
>>probably 
>>    
>>
>>>have played it for quite a while in July..
>>>
>>>But don't quote me on any of this ;-)
>>>
>>>// Andreas
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: keats at prophecy.be [mailto:keats at prophecy.be]
>>>>Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:53 PM
>>>>To: bf1942 at icculus.org
>>>>Subject: [bf1942] Should i Wine or should i go ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know you are bound to non-disclosure by the dice release
>>>>manager; and I
>>>>know why the 1.4 isn't out yet (a few last win32 bugs), but
>>>>another friday
>>>>has passed, another week no patch. My superior has given me 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>a deadline
>>>      
>>>
>>>>concerning our battlefield server section so I'm getting
>>>>pretty desperate.
>>>>
>>>>This mail is not meant to whine or beg or try to double 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>the amount 
>>    
>>
>>>>of grey hair on your head, but Andreas, can't you even 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>give an order
>>    
>>
>>>>of magnitude
>>>>as to when we can expect it? The reason I ask this is simple 
>>>>: if you say
>>>>for instance : chances are pretty big we won't be able to 
>>>>release the 1.4
>>>>patch before the summer holiday's (july here ;) ), then I 
>>>>would like to
>>>>know now so I can suggest the alternative Wine/windows server 
>>>>combination.
>>>>If, on the other hand, it is only a matter of at most a few 
>>>>weeks, I can
>>>>still be patient for a little while longer and hope and pray :)
>>>>
>>>>Don't get me wrong, you are undoubtedly doing a great job and I 
>>>>appreciate the updates which make this list worth while, 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>but I have 
>>    
>>
>>>>to
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>choose now
>>>      
>>>
>>>>between keeping on waiting and trying alternatives/giving up
>>>>our servers.
>>>>So even the vaguest, unofficial, smallest hint, preferrably 
>>>>expressed in a
>>>>real timeframe (not very very very soon ;) ), would mean a 
>>>>lot to me, and
>>>>undoubtedly many others on this list.
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
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