[bf1942] RE : End of flame

[cuban]

My apologies, I did not mean to come off harsh. 90% of anti-windows
users don't understand windows enough to hate it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric J. Schultz [mailto:paradxum at thecookieshop.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:13 PM
To: bf1942 at icculus.org
Subject: [bf1942] RE : End of flame


Yeah, actually I do know what is happening on the low level... it tells
me eactly how the windows kernel paniced....... <G>      
(and please don't tell me that I don't know what the hell I'd doing.....
We have all worked very hard to get where we are and take alot of pride
in our knowledge. That just makes it personal. I know exactly what I'd
doing just as you do. I've had 15 years experiance in this field, am a
programmer, chip designer, network architech, and systems analyst (I
love this stuff). I know exactly what a BSOD means. If you make this
personal then no one benifits.)

I had a whole letter written but decided to delete it and go play
bf1942.... this list needs to stay on topic...... speaking of
topic...... Any word on new release ryan? I don't mean to nag or
anything but... I do want to play!!!!!

Eric Schultz



> I can't help but to respond to this nonsense. Sorry everyone.
> 
> I'm an avid linux AND windows user. If you are getting "random" blue
> screens in windows you don't know what the hell you are doing. Windows
> gives plenty of data as to why.
> 
> This very machine I'm typing on (happened to be working on my server)
> has an uptime of 3 months (since SP3 came out). Basically, if you say
> Windows is for amateurs then you haven't used the more advanced
> features. Active Directory is amazing; it makes life on the end user
> VERY simple, which in the end... is all that counts.
> 
> I wouldn’t recognize and easy to use distro? Man, I think RedHat dumbs
> some things down worse than Microsoft.
> 
> All I'm saying is don't shorthand Windows, in a business environment:
> Active Directory kills any other form of centralized logon, Exchange
> kills Sendmail (if you say otherwise, or complain about resource usage
> you aren't sure of all the features it provides), and NTFS ties into
AD
> perfectly.
> 
> Though on the internet, I would never even consider using a Windows
box.
> I still have my dual homed sendmail box forward all my email to my
> exchange server. I would never put an IIS server up, nor msSQL either
> (at least not for public access)
> 
> 
> Just my two cents, but we shouldn't clutter this mailing list with
> anything but BF1942 linux questions. Not that there could really be
any
> ;).
> 
> cuban
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric J. Schultz [mailto:paradxum at thecookieshop.net] 
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:36 PM
> To: bf1942 at icculus.org
> Subject: [bf1942] RE : RE: [bf1942] RE : Re: AW: [bf1942] Where can i
DL
> 
> 
> I apologize for starting the dreaded Windoze Vs. Anything else
debate...
> And I'd agree that Windows has it's place but I don't think it's the
> server... yet (from what I hear they are making the next server os
much
> like Unix/dos of the olden days.... which might help.<shrug> don't
> know... I really would like that.) I would LOVE to run windows as a
> server but right now windows is not ready IN MY OPINION. I have run
> windows servers (but they take more babysitting and work to get
somewhat
> stable.) I have put the work into win2k servers and I still had many
> more problems with the windows servers compared to the Linux ones. The
> windows servers would run for months..... But the Linux ones doing the
> same job ran longer.  But that's just mine. I get my opinion from my
> experiences and the other people I've talked to. (but they are
generally
> more technical people and are able to put the substantial work in it
> takes to learn Linux.) I dual boot my workstations and that's that
> (since the!
> re are many things that run native under windows and I don't want to
put
> the work into cramming them into wine.) But I would realize if windows
> released a stable OS... Trust me... I am a GOOD friend of the BSOD.
Yes,
> they have gotten less and less, but there still there. (And yes, I've
> seen kernel panics before, but only when I messed with it.... and it
> wasn't easy or RANDOM.) I prefer Linux but it is not ready for the
> masses. (BTW, you windows zealots wouldn't recognize a easy to use
Linux
> distro if it was released... or maybe you would.... but you'd still
like
> your windows anyway... oh well ... and I'm not trying to bait anyone
> here either. We all like what we like.) 
> 
> Eric Schultz
> 
> p.s. Does anyone know how to get Open Office to open up in less than a
> year?
> 
> 
> > My 2 cents,
> > 
> > I work for an ISP that has to deal with costs of getting and making
> sure all installations are legal and such, so we can't just slap a
> Windows Box on our network and not worry about MS being upset they
> didn't get their exuberant paycheck for making the OS.  So we love the
> *nix boxes (a much cheaper and more customizable option).  Hence I had
> to 'make mine linux' and save myself some money and force myself to
> learn something new (which is better for anyone).
> > 
> > I would have to agree, MS Servers generally are a lot simpler to
> setup, but with ANY application or server you run, you have to know as
> much as you can about it.  Forgetting to setup a certain feature,
> security measure, or logging system can bring down any system, MS or
> *nix.
> > 
> > To bring this completely back on topic, I wish too that EA would
have
> a much stronger and dedicated Linux Development Dept.  You would think
> that with the recent Linux Gaming Conventions and such, they would
have
> noticed the importance in Developing for more than just one OS (lets
not
> bring up the Mac OS which Developers don't consider enough anyways - I
> am not actually a Mac Guru myself, I just have a lot of friends that
> are).
> > 
> > j0nny5
> > "be the ball danny"
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Richards [mailto:noxis at clara.net]
> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:15 AM
> > To: bf1942 at icculus.org
> > Subject: Re: [bf1942] RE : Re: AW: [bf1942] Where can i DL
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ola Fransson" <ola>
> > To: <bf1942>
> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bf1942] RE : Re: AW: [bf1942] Where can i DL
> > 
> > 
> > > as i see it,
> > > MS Server is a server for Dumies, you can put it up if you know
how
> to
> > press
> > > next...if you set it up with out turning on and off services that
> you do
> > not
> > > need and so on you will have a server that does not work great at
> all not
> > in
> > > my prespective anyway. (but how sets up a server without configure
> it???)
> > > Linux, well, you are most of the time forced to configure it , and
> you
> > > almost need some knowlage or at least to read the manual but its
not
> hard
> > to
> > > get a linux server not to function correctly if you dont know what
> your
> > are
> > > doing.
> > > Some thing that amuses me very much is to see people talking about
> how the
> > > could only get there Windows 2000 Server to run stable for X days
> and
> > there
> > > linux boxes were running for the 5th year now, how can that be? is
> it just
> > > because the linux freaks have decide not to like Windows and there
> fore
> > not
> > > put as much effort in trying to get the server to preform
correctly
> or
> > maby
> > > that they is wery poor in knowlage about windows?
> > >
> > > Now dont go get upset by this, i think linux and windows is great,
> its
> > > almost allways the due or gal behind the keyboard who makes the
> mess.
> > >
> > > Yes and one more note, what are EA thinking, ofcorse the Linux
> server
> > should
> > > be priorotized, now think, how is hosting the game servers? is it
> big
> > > companys how has afford to by a Windows 2000 Server or a 2003
even,
> or is
> > it
> > > the private user who has no founding at all? ok some ISPs migth be
> > intrested
> > > in running servers but in the big picture?
> > > I had to installl Windows 2000 Server just to be able to run the
BF
> server
> > > and will switch back as soon as the Linux BF exits the beta state
> (to poor
> > > windows knowlage to do anything fun with it)
> > >
> > > Nuf´Said....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Richards" <noxis>
> > > To: <bf1942>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [bf1942] RE : Re: AW: [bf1942] Where can i DL
> > >
> > >
> > > > Windows .NET is very good and very stable, uptime of 2 months on
> my last
> > > box
> > > > running 2 BF1942 server. Mind you I did just nuke it and put
> freebsd on
> > > > there...
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tyler "Overkill" Schwend" <tasf>
> > > > To: <bf1942>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:26 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [bf1942] RE : Re: AW: [bf1942] Where can i DL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Unless Windows releases a stable O.S.? You Linux zealots
> wouldn't
> > > > > notice if Microsoft released a stable O.S. unless they had
> > > > > someone else release it.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------

> > > > > Tyler "[TASF]Overkill" Schwend
> > > > > "Semper facere bonum, an a amare odium, vita mors."
> > > > > ---
> > > > > Server operator of [LCGA]Telefragged:
> > > > > Counter-Strike: telefragged.lynchburg.edu:27015
> > > > > http://schwend-t.web.lynchburg.edu
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > As a GSP we have to charge quite a bit more for our BF servers
simply
> > because we have to have a Windows license not to mention the obvious
> facts
> > that the game requires more cpu and bandwidth. The uptimes of the
> Windows
> > servers move into several weeks stability is not really a problem as
> long as
> > you choose good well matched hardware and have them in a proper air
> > conditioned enviroment, but even then its hardware stability thats
the
> issue
> > there not the OS, I dont know anyone who would host a server on
> Win95/98/ME
> > which are the only real unstable MS operating systems. NT/2000/XP
are
> all
> > fine and uptimes can run into months.
> > 
> > Also because of the Windows OS needed for BF it means we are very
> limited in
> > the public servers we can host as the cost is alot more and we would
> have to
> > actually spend money to host the pubs when there is no guranteed
> return on
> > the investment, obviously because of this we dont sponsor any clans
at
> all a
> > BF server where as sometimes we may tack on a small quake based
engine
> > server onto a *nix box because you hardly notice them. Where as *nix
> servers
> > are a cheap to run quicker to setup a game server on , more stable
and
> 9
> > times out of 10 faster. Personal preference being FreeBSD for game
> server as
> > it tends to perform better.
> > 
> > Just my 2mhz for the topic anyway.
> > 
> > -Nox
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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