[bf1942] Linux server status update 2003-04-28

[kenk at shreve.net]

Well I admit I am XML ignorant. Perhaps if XML had been more common back
in the HL era they would have used it, too.  If a pre-parser can be
written with out much effort then it sounds like the best of both worlds
to me.  While it would be nice for out-of-the-box support for all the HL
logging programs, the main thing I wanted to point out was that a detailed
and very useful logging syntax already exists.  I would love to see BF's
logging at least start out with the functionality that it took HL a couple
of years to develop.

Thats all I really meant to say.

-Ken

> About the logging. I forbid you to give up the XML option! :-)
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> Sure, HL got a lot of tools, but parsing those stupid log files,
> compared to the options XML gives you no choice.
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> Writing to XML instead of the "text file" is nothing like re-inventing
> the wheel, it's like building a spaceship when all you got was a lousy
> bike at the beginning.
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> I'm sure that whatever option you decide to use will be fine. But XML
> would be great.
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> Ken got a point about the tools, but I think BF would benefit from new
> and rewritten tools.
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> HL-logging is working, and that's about it. With XML, you can't start to
> use them more easily.
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> IMHO
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> // BoinK
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kenk at shreve.net>
> To: <bf1942 at icculus.org>
> Cc: <andreas.fredriksson at dice.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [bf1942] Linux server status update 2003-04-28
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>> Hello Andreas,
>>
>> While any effort made on the logging front is appreciated, perhaps
>> things can be sped along by looking at other successful examples of
>> logging done right. I am a big fan of the log format that a group of
>> Half-Life admins came up with on their own and that Valve liked well
>> enough to implement it.  Here's a detailed specification of the
>> logging format:
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>> http://www.hlstats.org/logs/
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>> So while XML is nice, perhaps you are unecessarily re-inventing the
>> wheel.
>>  If BF supported the above format, it would have an instant pool of
>> readily available, well-established log utilities for admins to use.
>>
>> Even if you want to continue on with the XML, perhaps the HL log
>> format will give you some ideas of things to include or consider for
>> your own log format.
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>> Thanks for your attention,
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>> -Ken
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>> > * There's a new feature of the 1.4 dedicated server that might
>> >   be interesting to people on this list. I've added a rough
>> >   version of an event logging system which writes out compressed XML
>> data to the Logs directory of the mod. This is useful
>> >   for making your own stat engine, problem reporting or
>> >   just to play with.